Chena rec area cabin rented by Fort Greely firefighters burns
by Tim Mowry / tmowry@newsminer.com
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The Lower Angel Creek Cabin, 3.6 trail miles north of Chena Hot Springs Road, burned Monday night after it was rented by a group of firefighters from Fort Greely.
Photo courtesy state of Alaska The Lower Angel Creek Cabin, 3.6 trail miles north of Chena Hot Springs Road, burned Monday night after it was rented by a group of firefighters from Fort Greely.
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Correction: Alaska State Parks will offer cabin credits, not refunds to people holding reservations to Lower Angel Creek Cabin.


FAIRBANKS - A backcountry cabin being rented by a group of firefighters burned to the ground Monday night in the Chena River State Recreation Area east of Fairbanks.

The Lower Angel Creek Cabin, located 3.6 trail miles north of Chena Hot Springs Road, was destroyed.

Seven firefighters from Fort Greely had rented both the lower and upper Angel Creek cabins for the night on Monday, according to Brooks Ludwig, northern region superintendent for Alaska State Parks in Fairbanks.

After going to Chena Hot Springs Resort, the men rode snowmachines to the lower cabin and stopped to light a fire in the wood stove, which had gone out while they were gone, Ludwig said. That was at 10:30 p.m. The men then continued 3 miles up the trail to the upper cabin to eat dinner. Some members of the group were returning to the lower cabin at about 1 a.m. Tuesday when they noticed an orange glow in the distance, Ludwig said.

“When they got back, it was fully engulfed,” he said. “The four walls had already fallen in and the roof had come down.”

One of the men drove his snowmachine out to Chena Hot Springs Road and went to the hot springs to report the fire to Alaska State Troopers, Ludwig said.

Ludwig talked to two members of the group and they told him they had damped the wood stove down before leaving for the upper cabin.

“The only think he could think of was at the bottom of the door there was a quarter-inch gap and maybe that was letting more air in than they thought,” Ludwig said. “Either that or a spark jumped out. Who knows?”

The group lost a few sleeping bags and pads in the fire but that was it, he said.

The plywood, 12-foot-by-14-foot cabin was one of five backcountry cabins that Alaska State Parks rents along a 70-mile trail system in the Chena River State Recreation Area. It was one of two cabins on the 7-mile Angel Creek Trail, which starts at Mile 50.5 on Chena Hot Springs Road.

Park officials were busy Tuesday calling people who had reserved the cabin in the coming days and weeks to inform them of the fire. Anyone who reserved the cabin will get a credit for future use of a cabin, Ludwig said.

The cabin, which was built in the 1990s, was insured for $25,000 and Ludwig hopes his agency can rebuild it this summer. The cabin is popular because of its proximity to the road. State Parks also recently built a summer trail to both the upper and lower cabins. Previously, the two cabins were accessible only in the winter.

If there is a bright side, Ludwig said, it’s that the old plywood cabin can be replaced with a nicer log cabin in a better setting.

“Of all the cabins out there, if I had to burn one down, that’s the one I would have burned,” he said.

It was the second backcountry cabin to burn in the recreation area in the past 15 years. The Stiles Creek Cabin burned in 1997 and was rebuilt the following year.

Robert Schmoll with the state Division of Forestry said a crew will go to the cabin site to put out any smoldering remains that could start a wildfire next summer.

Contact staff writer Tim Mowry at 459-7587.
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Taga
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March 04, 2011
Several comments:

@ rogerx "...providing some sort of running water, simple electric and waste hole might increase popularity up here." Kind of defeats the purpose of "camping" don't you think? Might as well check in at Pikes cabins if you want all that.

These seven so-called "firefighters' should stop and think, maybe that's why you get stationed at places like Fort Greely? All seven of them should learn how to properly "damp down the wood stove".

As for Brooks Ludwig..."'Of all the cabins out there, if I had to burn one down, that’s the one I would have burned,' he said."...doesn't put you in a very bright light.

GRAYWLF
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March 04, 2011
It happens to anyone even those who may be intoxicated and off duty. Maybe FNSB could get some of those old wood stoves being removed from homes due to the exchange program and put them in these cabins??? The cost would be near free. Reutilize!
icarian
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March 04, 2011
Why bring Fort Wainwright fire fighters into this? They have ZERO to do with it.
rogerx
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March 04, 2011
dogleg & parky: I like what other State Parks do for maintenance. They allow volunteers to perform cleaning/trivial maintenance in return for free camping. Think I've seen the volunteer "hosts" already at several locations in Alaska.

Of course, providing some sort of running water, simple electric and waste hole might increase popularity up here.

... albeit, I probably mentioned nothing new for those that are in this biz that they already know. :-/

Fairbanksgas: Great idea, but I doubt they would go for it as it's outside their official job capacity. Either way, this sounds more accidental and insurance will take care of it.
Fairbanksgas
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March 03, 2011
How about giving the Ft. Wainwright fire department an opportunity to rebuild the cabin. I'm sure that a fire crew could have the new cabin rebuilt in no time.
LostAlaskan99712
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March 03, 2011
How many firefighters does it take to burn a cabin down?
parky
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March 03, 2011
Thanks for the feedback Paul Lhotka aka dogleg. Park staff went through and swept the chimneys this winter and are responding to all concerns received about stove repairs. Some of these repairs included a new stove at the Birch lake cabin as well as replacing the damper and stove pipe at the Glatfelter and Chena River cabins. Parks will continue to replace stoves and make repairs as neccessary. We currently maintain 21 cabins heating with wood.

Having a year-round park ranger for a year round recreation area makes sense. The funding for this position comes from general operating funds not deferred maintenance.

The new toilets are replacing 20 year old toilets, some that had old fiberglass floors that were caving in along with others that had damaged holding tanks. replacing these aging toilets with concrete low maintenance ones saves money in the long run.

Sustainable trails also save money in the long run and according to a 2009 UAF Recreation Study, page 44, the number one outdoor recreation activity in interior Alaska is hiking so it makes sense to invest in trails.

One last thing concerning building public use cabins. They are extremely popular and represent 30% of the revenue collected in here in user fees.
dogleg
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March 03, 2011
These fires are almost always caused by neglect of the stove and chimney. Many of those State cabins are poorly maintained. Creosote coated chimneys, missing door gaskets, broken dampers, things wired together. But...don't blame the Legislature for lack of funding. Brooks Ludwig took the extra money the Legislature gave him for "deferred maintenance" and made the seasonal ranger position year around. Supposedly to do extra maintenance. I use the area on a routine basis. There has been NO improvement in the management, care, or repair of the infrastructure since then. Please stop putting in new toilets, trails and new cabins, and maintain what we have!
rogerx
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March 02, 2011
Taking care of a wood stove to heat a house or cabin is a 24/7 job. It is not a task to be taken lightly.

Although speculation, firefighters could be spoiled by living in force-air furnace or boiler heat for their homes and rented housing. As such, neither edumacated or accustomed to using a wood stove. (No biggy -- stuff happens.)

A quarter inch around the gasket of the bottom of the wood stove is significant enough to setup conditions for back drafting/puffing if enough dry wood or combustible material is in the wood stove. Also issue is how clean the stack was -- which can also significantly influence back drafting/puffing.

All for, for putting the State/City/Etc. firefighters in State Park cabins. Should build more of them and rent them to vacationers during down-time. Provides a nice win-win scenario for everybody -- as well as, affordable housing for the firefighters. ;-)

... mmm.. maybe I should rent my house to the fire fighters. ....
F_lower48
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March 02, 2011
So will there be two fill the Boot's this year?
mcraig
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March 02, 2011
Way to go Smokies! I bet you'll get a letter of reprimand from Smokey the Bear on this "smoking gun"!
Hmmmmmmmmmm
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March 02, 2011
I can't believe you have seven firefighter who burn down a cabin and don't bother to overhaul it. Now DOF has to dispatch a crew and overhaul the incident site. Good thing EOTH was not a factor.
ChenaSteamer
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March 02, 2011
I think their "story" is a bunch of bunk. I believe this is a case of C.Y.O.A..
tompat
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March 02, 2011
Gee, I wonder why there was a lack of reporting "If alcohol was involved" there usually is in most incidents!
truthinnews
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March 02, 2011
The bottom of the stove door had a quarter inch gap, and they didn't see a problem with this?

Lucky thing no one was sleeping in there.
AKChief
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March 02, 2011
I had 6 big screen tv's, 4 laptops, and 2 4-wheelers stored in their....will insurance cover that?
triproad
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March 02, 2011
Oh the shame

I think the acticle mentioned something about insurance.

LocalAKan
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March 02, 2011
“Of all the cabins out there, if I had to burn one down, that’s the one I would have burned,” he said.

I'm sure the insurance company is going to LOVE that!

If I were DNR I might highlight some of the losses that make this worth 25,000 (or irreparable things like the cabin guest book), not the few sleeping bags that the Ft Greeley guys lost.
islandliver
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March 02, 2011
Irony is best taken with a smirk!

Now who pays to rebuild the cabin?
Capt_Boblo
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March 02, 2011
This is not gonna look good on their resumes.
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