Sarah Palin goes on the political attack
Originally published Thursday, October 9, 2008 at 12:06 a.m.
Updated Thursday, October 9, 2008 at 10:17 a.m.
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WASHINGTON — Gov. Sarah Palin has been unleashed by her McCain camp handlers to attack their Democratic opponents, Sens. Barack Obama and Joseph Biden.
Following her successful performance in last week’s vice presidential debate, Palin has been handed the traditional attack-dog duties of a running mate by launching an offensive on Obama’s character and readiness to be president.
An aide to McCain recently told reporters that the campaign was seeking to shift the focus of the presidential race away from the economy to one of Obama’s character. Since then Palin has gone from hockey mom to pit bull.
But Palin’s newfound political persona is a far cry from promises she made during her 2006 gubernatorial campaign to focus on issues instead of personal attacks.
Here’s Palin in a wide-ranging 2006 interview with Fairbanks Daily News-Miner editors:
“A lot of people are apathetic about campaigns because you see a lot of the garbage that goes on in campaigns and the personal attacks and the character assassinations that are so unnecessary,” she said. “They’re useless; they detract from the issues.”
“Young people, I believe, they get turned off by that. And they think, ‘You know, I have better things to do than waste my time on this.’ And that’s a shame. I’d like to set a different tone there in terms of politics in this state, in terms of campaigning. And that’s why too, I’m not gonna go negative. I’m not gonna go throwing mud at any other candidate. And we will, we’ll stick with the issues.”
But Palin checked the niceties at the door on Sunday, when she accused Obama of “palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.”
Palin, 44, was referring to 1960s radical Bill Ayers, a former member of the Vietnam-era radical group Weather Underground.
Ayers, now a professor at the University of Illinois, hosted a meet-the-candidate event for Obama early in his political career, but the Obama camp said he is not close to the Illinois senator. The two also served together on two education- and charity-related boards in Chicago.
Obama has condemned Ayers’ past radical activities as “detestable,” and Obama’s campaign has said the candidate was unaware of his past activities when they met in the mid-1990s.
Obama’s running mate dismissed Palin’s attack, calling it “over the top.”
“It’s just malarkey, flat malarkey. Barack Obama was 8 years old when this man engaged in the activates he was engaged in. He is no part of our campaign,” Biden said Wednesday in an appearance on “The Early Show” on CBS.
Despite pushback from the Obama campaign, Palin has kept up her attacks this week.
On Monday, Palin expanded her negative comments to include Obama’s relationship with his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., who was caught on video making anti-American comments from the pulpit.
Obama denounced Wright and cut all ties with his church after the videos surfaced. McCain previously said he did not think Wright should be an issue in the campaign.
At a campaign stop in Florida on Tuesday, Palin portrayed Obama as dishonest and a risky choice for president. She also repeated her accusation that Obama had not been truthful about his relationship with Ayers.
“You mean to tell me he doesn’t know he launched his political career in the living room of a domestic terrorist?” Palin told supporters.
Palin sidestepped questions from reporters about whether voters concerned about the economy would be turned off by her use of divisive campaign tactics, saying the Ayers issue was central to evaluating Obama’s character.
“It comes down to one ticket’s proposal that can be trusted, and another ticket’s proposal to deal with some of these issues and maybe questioning the truthfulness and the intention there,” Palin said. “I think it’s very relevant.”
Palin added that she was only trying to let Americans see who the “real Barack Obama is.”
A spokesman for the McCain-Palin campaign said questions about Ayers and Wright are relevant because the American people deserve to know with whom Obama associates.
“It’s not an issue of dirty campaigning, it’s an issue of Obama’s experience and judgment and his questionable associations,” said Rick Gorka, the McCain campaign’s West Coast spokesman. “When someone is as green and naive as Sen. Obama is, it’s fully inbounds to look at who he depends on for advice.”
Both presidential candidates had previously pledged to forego mudslinging during the race. But the closeness of the contest — most national polls give Obama a single-digit lead that’s within the margin of error, though some show him up by double digits over McCain — appears to have led to an escalation of hostilities four weeks before election day.
Obama launched his own attack against McCain ahead of Tuesday’s presidential debate.
The Obama camp sent out a 13-minute online video documenting McCain’s relationship with Charles Keating, a lawyer and banker who was jailed for his role in the savings and loan scandal in the late 1980s.
Political strategists say negative attacks in ads and from the stump are popular because they are proven effective, even though most voters say they dislike them.
“McCain and Palin are running behind, so they’re using more negative attacks,” said Jerry McBeath, a political science professor at the University of Alaska Fairbanks. “They have nothing to lose.”
McBeath said it was easy for Palin to shun negative tactics during her gubernatorial bid because she was in the lead. But now she has to play the role traditionally expected of vice-presidential candidates.
“They will throw the mud,” McBeath said. “It gives the head of the ticket the opportunity to appear dignified.”
Don Rieck, executive director of the Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, said highlighting the contrasts between you and your opponent is an effective tactic.
“Candidates don’t do things by accident,” Rieck said. “If you’re a candidate that’s trailing and you’re not getting traction on the issues … you’re going to go negative.”
Rieck said the best example of how effective negative attacks can work is the Willie Horton ad in the 1988 presidential race, which painted Democratic candidate Michael Dukakis as soft on crime.
While voters say they dislike negative attacks, the same polls show voters are clearly influenced by them.
“There’s a cognitive disconnect between what they say they like and how they vote,” Rieck said.
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Obama's background is a campaign issue and should be discussed. To be fair, so should McCain's. The point is, it is truly baffling that Obama continues to be "friendly" with a terrorist, only cut-off ties to a righteous racist when it no longer served his campaign, further, he refuses to discuss his involvement with ACORN which is currently under Federal investigation for voter fraud in Nevada.
Add to this, his FAR left agenda, his record of raising taxes and for refusing to establish laws to protect live babies who were in the process of abortion, ... and you have the most evil and dangerous man this country, ... no, this world has seen in a long, long time.
He is an unrepentant sick individual.
Now, cue the lunatic liberal comments.
Ponderous....did you truly "ponder" what you were going to say or did you just figure, like Palin, if you parrot nonsense often enough it becomes fact? This seems to be the right-wing, conservative tactic anymore. Forget truth. Do as Palin does and ignore her statements made in 2006 about personal attacks and start flingin' the mud.
So, let's look at McCain's questionable connections. First, there is the simple fact he has supported Bush in 90% of his administration's actions over the past 8 years. That alone should qualify McCain for an intense amount of shame and embarrassment. Second, let's look at his connections to the Iran/Contra scandal from the Reagan era. You don't see him bringing those up and for good reason: they would make him look like a semi-Facist at best. Third, let's look at Palin's connections to the highly anti-American AIP. Vogler couldn't get far enough away from America. He detested it and said so often and clearly. Of course, he was only too eager to take advantage of its liberties and protections but then you find that sort of hypocrisy to be common in the ultra-right wing types. Palin, now wanting to appear pure, down-on-the-farm, Joe Six-Pack-ish suddenly has no need of the AIP. She was glad to use that connection when it served her purpose but now that it could cause her problems, she avows having nothing to do with despite indisputable evidence to the contrary.
And against that you stack up an association Obama had when he was in grade school? Good lord, could anything be more tennuous and streaked with mud (as well as more organic substances) than the innuendoes (which are all they are) you employ with no regard to present fact?
Strikes me the only lunacy is what you have just exhibited. Now, take a peanut and go back up on your perch with the rest of the McCain parrots.
BTW, as someone who has owned two pit bulls (as well as several dobermans) I take great offense to the likening of Palin to a pit bull. She's more like one of those little yappy dogs that nip at ankles, bark in strident tones at anything that moves, and go running to hide behind their owner at the slightest threat (witness how she is once again cutting back the number of public interviews she will have).
Granted, she had terrific freak value when McCain first brought her out but as her declining approval numbers both inside Alaska as well as throughout the rest of the nation shows, that novelty has worn off. She's no pit bull; at least they have a certain nobility of spirit. She's just a little tea-cup poodle that thinks she's a rottweiler. (No offense meant to rottie owners; I've known a few of those grand dogs, too, and think they are great.)
The Daily News Miner is still quoting McBeath for these stories? Please get a clue...please!
The author of this article, R.E. Dillon, is a political hack, claiming to be the the DNM reporter from D.C. (from his curriculum vita (sic): "CAPITOL CORRESPONDENT, The Fairbanks Daily News-Miner, Fairbanks, Alaska April 2005 to present"). He is clearly biased against McCain/Palin (and Alaska, one would conclude by reading his website, http://alaskanabroad.typepad.com/an_alas...).
Dillon's curriculum vitae also indicates Dillon works for the "Energy Intelligence Group", a part of the oil industry. ("POLITICAL REPORTER, Energy Intelligence Group, Washington, DC July 2006 to present"). In its own words, the "Energy Intelligence Group has reported on the international oil and gas business -- and the events that surround it -- for over 50 years... Our extensive and international customer base reads like a who's who of the global oil business." (http://energyintelligenceresearch.com/ab...) Clearly, Dillon should not be the DNM correspondent from D.C. as he already is strictly bought by the oil industry. In fact, he brags about the money he's getting for covering the VP contest ("I guess you could call this the Veep Jeep since I paid for it with all the additional work I've gotten covering the McCain-Palin campaign.": his website, caption under the shiny yellow Jeep photos). We all khow the oil companies get along with Palin.
Dillon's concurrent employment by the DNM and the oil companies explains DNM's obvious anti-Palin bias in their D.C. stories; other biases can be deduced.
Dillon should be fired immediately from the DNM for his clear employment conflict, as well as his unhidden bias in reporting! You can't fairly report news to the citizenry of Fairbanks as the DNM correspondent in D.C. while being employed by multinational oil companies.
The DNM incompentence in hiring this guy should be apparent, as well.
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"Kill the pigs", was one of the slogans of terrorist, and Obama confidant, Bill Ayers.
The terrorist group Ayers founded set off bombs all across America- and they managed to kill one police officer, and blind another, in one bombing. In other attacks on police officers they injured dozens of cops.
Dillon has not reported on the full relationship Obama has with this terrorist.
Senior Obama strategist David Axlerod told one news group that Obama and Ayers were friendly.
Here is an excerpt of what CNN reported yesterday:
"Obama and Ayers had a connection not just through the education and charity boards, but in the area of juvenile justice. Obama praised Ayers' book on the subject in a 1997 Chicago Tribune review, calling it "a searing and timely account of the juvenile court system, and the courageous individuals who rescue hope from despair."
In an event organized by Obama's wife Michelle, then-Illinois state Sen. Obama was listed as a panelist along with Ayers on a discussion involving juvenile justice issues."
Dillon also falls flat in his attempt to use what Sarah said in a completely different campaign as a basis to attack her.
It is most illuminating that Terrorist Ayers has reaffirmed his support for using terrorism, and that Obama still had dealing with the nut job even after it was clear what Ayers stood for.
I do not imagine many police officers will be voting for Obama.
Excuse me. Typo. His name is R.A. Dillon. Sorry.
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The difference between myself and most Americans is most Americans believe we can force our will on the world by military force. Albeit, that figure is changing somewhat because of the Iraq war.
In the fall of 1967 on Vietnam’s DMZ nearly 2000 marines tried to prevent 35,000 North Vietnamese soldiers from coming across the DMZ.. Not only did they not prevent communist soldiers from coming across into South Vietnam, but the numbers of North Vietnamese soldiers increased to the point a few months later the 1968 Tet happened, and battles like Khe Sahn and Hue City killed and wounded many more US Marines.
I was at Con Thien with Echo Company 2nd Bn. 4th Marines. I was wounded in November, and spent the next 8 months reading the Stars and Stripes reading names from a hospitable bed of my friends who died. My unit 2nd Bn 4th Marines won 4 Congressional Medals of Honor from September 67 to May 2nd 1968.
This is why I am voting for Obama. I am voting for Obama because he sees limits to American military power, and sees the full power of Americans at home. Obama sees we can change the world not only by military force but by the force of example. John McCain still after all these years does not understand military force should only be used after every other solution to an international problem does not exist, or is not available.
As for Palin. She reminds me of an Amway distributer. In todays world we need someone who grasps complicated global $$$ big person issues.
Hey, DMZMarine. I appreciate your service and input. May I ask what in this article made you decide to register and comment for the first time? Also wondering if you're an Alaskan resident.
Just curious, not attacking.
Thanks!
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dobie,
thanks for proving my point, "Now, cue the lunatic liberal comments."
When someone thanks me for my service I wonder about their agenda. Mostly some who has never seen heavy combat. As for being an Alaskan resident what does it matter? If this woman was from Idaho I would wonder what terrorist White Cause she wants the rest of the country to support. This woman is from Alaska and we have to listen to her undereducated sound bite understanding of our terrible problems.
Maybe somebody appreciated what you did for our country, but if you doubt their sentiment, the fault is yours.
This article gives plenty of reasons NOT to vote for Obama.
"Ayers hosted a meet-the-candidate event for Obama early in his political career." (I.e. Obama will associate with known terrorists in order to further his political career.)
"Obama’s campaign has said the candidate was unaware of his past activities when they met in the mid-1990s." Did Ayers keep all of his radical, anti-American rhetoric to himself when he was around Obama? Not likely. Even Obama's wife showed her anti-American feelings with the "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country" comment.
“It’s just malarkey, flat malarkey. Barack Obama was 8 years old when this man engaged in the activates he was engaged in. He is no part of our campaign,” Biden said. What a ridiculous statement! Obama's age at the time of Ayer's terroristic activities has nothing to do with Obama's culpability. That's like saying that thirty years from now it would be o.k. if a politician launched his political career from the house/cave of Osama Bin Ladin because "he was only eight years old" on 9/11/01.
"Obama denounced Wright and cut all ties with his church AFTER THE VIDEOS SURFACED [emphasis mine]." So, Obama is comfortable being under Wright's radical racist preaching for 20 years then suddenly disassociates himself for political expediency.
Does anyone else see a pattern here? Obama is an opportunist who prefers anti-American, racist associations and will use those to further his political career. He will only distance himself from them if it somehow impedes his own vie for power.
If that's not enough, let's talk about the issues. Obama thinks that giving your enemy the timetable of your withdrawal is a good strategy to win a war.
Obama thinks that increasing taxes on those who create jobs is a good economic policy.
Obama thinks that the government would do a good job running the nation's healthcare system. There are plenty of military readers out there. Any of you think THAT'S a good idea? I've served in the military and lived in a country with socialized medicine; both of them had lousy healthcare.
I find Palin's lame attempt to paint Obama as a "pal of terrorists" when his association with the terrorist was through a school program sponsored by one of the most conservative of Republicans, the Annenbergs. What the McCain/Pallin campaign keeps secret is McCain's association with a group that advocated collaboration with Nazi's and support South American death squads, or Palin's association with the Alaska Independence Party, formed by Fairbanks gadfly and radical Joe Vogler. I met Vogler as a young reporter and found him to be determined to remove Alaska from the union, because of his hate for America and even more hate for anything or anyone who would try to regulate the mining industry. So, I would say that McCain and Palin should be careful who they try to paint as terrorist lovers, especially with all the skeltons in their closets.
Of course McCain "has supported Bush in 90% of his administration's actions over the past 8 years", both claim to be republicans... I still have little trust in Obama because he is a lawyer. With all the lawyers in Congress it is no wonder the we are in the trouble financially. I would just as soon have no Congress meetings for a year, at least then there would be no new laws, earmarks or taxes.
Thank you, geist, for proving that, at least, here in the interior, we can say without a doubt we have media journalists who are all but worshipping the ground Obama walks on. I find your lame attempt to besmirch McCain and Palin pretty common place in the liberal media community.
I also see patterns of rewards given freely, gainfully by Obama & his wife's business contacts & employer. I also see patterns of a starter but not a finisher. When things get tough Obama walks away. For the bigger buck, or finds someone to step up to his ideas & take over for him or walks away.... Alot of patterns & exposure & mentoring to Obama that are of serious concern for me. There's many interviews & articles out there to read, one article by someone that lives in Chicago where Obama worked with 2 churches in the 80's. Said, if he couldn't lead & guide the neighborhood out of it's problems he should not be in office to lead the US. I can't walk in his shoes but I have studied & researched his walk & I don't want to walk with him in any manner or form. I just couldn't live in that house they brought knowing it was paid for by illegal activities at the expense of citizens & voters by a personal friend.
McCain needs to see the world outside of the military & oil, let the voters talk & be heard at his speeches longer than he talks. He needs to listen & address problem solving skills & solutions. Baldwin & Nadar needs to be more vocal to be heard. Who ever gets elected needs to redo the congress' mismanagment with the bailout. To many brought votes as rewards needs a practice needs to be stopped. It's at the expense of all the ones paying for it the voters. Solutions that work not...
The organizer: what did Barack Obama really do in Chicago?
National Review, June 30, 2008 by Byron York
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1...
Senator Barack H. Obama Jr. (IL)
http://votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=BS03...
National Advertisements On Censorship by Matt Drudge of the Drudge Report
http://www.usasurvival.org/obama.html
Obama and the Farrakhan Trap
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWU...
His Congress Senator's site for viewing all votes, communities, & info on him is enlightening if you are undecided still. Spend sometime reading facts & if you wish follow up on newspapers in Ill. on the info of the time frames. And not exactly for the whole state of Ill. but for the select few very rewarding to Obama as well. Connections, connections on both sides of the rich, questionable, legally, the law & court systems or the norm... He runs for Pres. & stops all state money for 2008 for Ill. in congress on his behalf or state business of Ill. as their senator. Kinda like the neighborhood in Chicago he walked away from too.
Patterns, Patterns, Patterns, Patterns, Patterns.
Reminds me of a song..
These boots are made for walking. One day these boots are going to walk all over you....
No thank you.
Now I have lived in Alaska for almost 12 years. A veteran of the Armed Forces, a reputable and educated citizen of this state. I am a taxpayer and a Christian. I donot believe in voting for one particular party. I voted for Sarah Palin because I believed her to be a woman of integrity and of high moral values. I have listened to the debates and everyone's comments. I want a president that is nothing like Bush or who uses similiar strategies and ideas that reflect his thinking. Choosing Sarah was a bad choice for a man of advanced years as McCain. One year in the White House is 4 years of your life. Sarah is too unlearned of world events, protocols, knowledge and experience to be dealing with this mess we are in if McCain gets sick or dies. Let's think logicially! Many of these countries do not deal too kindly with or respect woman enough to want to debate with them and talk politics. Sarah needs about 8 more years to learn leadership in a different, global and diverse manner. Start with having people who work with and for her (leadership and staff) fairly represent ALL the people that make up the population. She does not have minorities working in upper management areas or as Directors of any State Departments. America is big melting pot of people not just one race. Obama was atleast smart enough to choose a running mate that was knowledgeable and experienced in the areas where he is weak. If anything happened to him, Bidden would step in as a learned president. McCain says he does not know how many houses he owns. What! When thousands of voters are strugglibg to hold on to theirs or have lost it to the bank! We have lost over 700,000 jobs and counting in America this year. He cannot even relate to the people. Donald Trump knows how many houses, workers, and properties he has & owns. Just be honest. So it comes down to choosing someone that closely resembles you and understand your struggles. Both candidates have past issues and events that can shed a dark cloud over their lives and judgements. Move on and choose the one that will closely restore peace, balance, opportunity, hope, money, justice and a new direction in America like FDR did after the Great Depression. No one is perfect and Sarah should not allow McCain and his advisors to use her negatively to personally discredit anyone. Obama refused to allow his people to bad mouth her daughter or her parenting skills with the pregnancy of her 17 yr old teen. Do not lose your professionalism or self-respect. A good name still means something!
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flowerjay,
McCain invests in the housing market. What! Never heard of such a thing? So what if he owns multiple houses, it was a loaded trick question to force the appearance of indulgence.
When the facts stated are true, then it's not mud. It's the made up stuff and half truths and inuendo that qualify as mud. The former community organizer Obama has a past filled with anti-American characters and groups.
As I recall the Keating 5 that were found guilty were Democrat Senators Alan Cranston, and I believe John Glenn. The investigation, led by Democrat Bob Bennet, found McCain innocent of all charges, except bad judgement of sitting in at a meeting with Keating. Once---not over and over again as are the charges against Obama.
Palin has denied being a member of AIP, and I've seen no evidence to the contrary. Joe Vogler never set bombs at government buildings. Pretty gutsy, besmirching the deceased.
The Democrats were foolish to nominate a candidate who has never been fully vetted. Heck, Hillary brought this Ayers stuff up a few months ago during their primary debate.. Yet nobody on that side of the aisle addressed it..
Today they pay for that mistake..
Last time I checked Sarah Palin was running for VP. Stop comparing her to Obama. Even though she has more executive experience than Obama, John McCain is running for President. Quit using the scare tactic that he is 72 years old and had cancer 4 times. The American people are not stupid and do not want a Democratic President and Democratic Congress. Imagine the liberal Supreme Court justices and the Socialist programs that will be shoved down American's throats. Scary indeed! Taxes will be raised on everyone.
Flowerjay - The world will not respect a woman leacer? Now that is a sexist comment. Seems to me Margarett Thatcher had a vast amount of respect.
Another thing that amazes me is that the associations that the Republicans are bringing up now concern ing Obama were originally brought up by Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden during the Democratic primaries. Now all of a sudden it is being called smear tactics. Just proves the point that the liberal media giants are doing everything they can to sway the election for Obama. Americans need to wake up and study the key issues. Look at the sources for your information. Hint....the DNM is among the liberal cheerleaders for Obama so look elsewhere. The DNM will lose readership and any integrity they ever had by the time this election is over.
In todays world this country needs intelligent leaders desperately, that being the case, Palin needs to do the country a favor and quit the race.
Does Palin have a high school diploma?
Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as:....is a bald faced lie, and hearsay that is repeated over and over by Obama Haters. Beside that, let the record reflect, that while John Sydney McCain III, was a prisoner of war in Vietnam, he violated the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) by signing several documents the Vietcong presented him with, that condemned the USA a a "Imperialist Nation", a 3 page documents admitting warcrimes and accusing american soldiers of committing war crimes. Of 434 US POW's, 4 signed documents to that effect, 430 did not. What Ayers did has absolutely no connection to Obama, except for the slanderous ones made up by the desperate right. By choosing Palin, he lost the election, as sure as Gore lost when he selected Lieberman. As far as the AIP is concerned, I have no issues with their desire at the time to remain a territory, however there was a referendum, defective as it was in many ways, that chose Statehood. There were more People in Hawaii opposed to Statehood, but for better reasons. Their Island nation was stolen by Bible toting colonialists, that considered Sugar to be King, and some of those original Robber Preachers Families still own a huge amount of stolen land in Hawaii. Alaska on the other hand was purchased from Russia, in a legal transaction, from Russia, whose empire owned it for a long time, without ever considering the native populations right to own their own land.(They were nomadic people) The whites that came to Alaska, for the most part came here to Mine Gold, and get rich. I do not deny the Pioneers that worked hard to get where they ended up, their right to self determination, but the hand has been dealt, and the Washington Government will NEVER relinquish the Military and strategic advantages as well as the mineral wealth that is Alaska. Nunavut is waiting for those that want an independent Native State. But I don't think there are many Native Alaskans in the AIP.
All this back and forth is good. But I for one am humiliated by this idiot woman representing our state. Now the whole rest of the world thinks we are a bunch of Evangeligal Right Wingnuts that have African Witch Doctors praying for us. The catty attacks she is launching against Obama are representing a new low in politics. Ayers should take her on for slander. He was acquitted of all charges. Dont the Neo Cons accept the American Justice System? And as a retired Vietnam Air Force Flier, I support all those that forced an end to the war in Vietnam, that Killed 58000 of my comrades, all supported by the lies coming out of the Pentagon, and Henry Kissingers mouth. The ones who fought against the Vietnam war at home, are true patriots. Our founding fathers urged us to take up arms against corrupt leaders. We now know that we fought that war for the military industrial complex that General, President Dwight Eisenhower warned us about. Very much like the war in Iraq.
I Wondering when a Key-Board Marine was going to Pop-Up !
We can’t force our will on the world by military force! Being retired from the military after 21 years, I have heard REAL-Army and Real- Marines say a lot of things, but I have Never Heard a Real-Trooper say “We Can’t force ………Fill in the blank! Thanks for making me LOL! Also be careful, they just put a guy in jail for 3 years for posing as a War-Vet with Awards!
Presidential politics aside for a moment, all this talk about Ayers in the last few days brings up something even more disturbing than Obama's connection to him. What I want to know is who in their right mind would allow a known domestic terrorist to have ANY part in educating young people? This dirtbag is a professor for crying out loud and helps define educational policy in the Chicago area at least, if not all of Illinois. If people are willing to let this guy teach their children, then I guess electing Obama isn't that big of a stretch.
McCain said it again at the 10/7 debate - that he knows how to
get Osama bin Laden, and if he were president, he would get
him. So - - he knows but hasn't done anything about it
all these years? He will only let us know how if we elect
him, otherwise bin Laden goes free? What kind of crap is that?
Either he does not know, and is lying, more lying lies.
Or he does know and is holding the country hostage until
we elect him. Shameful.
Watching the debate with the sound muted for a few minutes,
I got to observe the body language of the candidates.
Obama appears calm and in charge. He makes good eye contact
with McCain when McCain is speaking, is attentive to McCain's
words. When McCain speaks, he appears erratic, tired,
old in not a chronological sense but in a sense of appearing
weary and at the brink of collapse. Many his age and much
older are strong and spritely. He looks like a man on his
last legs. He makes no eye contact with Obama when Obama is speaking,
instead jots notes and occasionally looks up in Obama's direction. Surely with all his handlers, someone could teach him the basics of interpersonal communicaiton skills.
McCain frightens me because he makes bad choices under
pressure, and is willing to assassinate the character of his
opponent by making Obama seem "the other," a possible danger
because of his race and his middle name, rather than go one
on one with the issues. Shameful.
Not the qualities I look for in the leader of the free world.
And Palin, his sideshow distraction, revving up the crowds with
hate speeches, causing audiences to boo Obama and shout
"Off with his Head!" and "Lynch him" - - Shameful.
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Yeah, I tell ya that terrorist JOE Vogler and I were on speaking terms.....we might have been friends. In fact, I know a couple people, who are felons.
Do I get arrested NOW?
The economy is in freefall, the country is involved in two wars, and Americans face serious problems not seen before in our lifetimes. Yet, instead of addressing anything helpful or even meaningful, Ms. Palin in recent days has seen fit to whip the mobs into hateful frenzy with her sordid polemic against a decent man. The mob responds in kind with shouts of "terrorist!" and "kill him". This is a disgusting display of political smear by a political figure not seen since Joe McCarthy. This is sad day for Alaskans and a sad day for our country.
Racism is alive and doing well in the south, wonder if Obama, if elected, will wake up to a burning cross on the White house lawn. Democrats controlled the south during slavery. Will the south secede from the union again?
Oerhaps if the Obamamaniacs would pull back from their tunnel vision and look at the whole candidate instead of walking around like zombies they would see the holes in his credibility and judgment. What makes it so sad if that they are apparent and right in front of your face. Sarah Palin was the greatest thing since sliced bread as the Governor of Alaska. As soon as she was selected for VP the liberals unleashed and have continued to unleash a smear campaign. Say it ai't so and you are a liar and have just as much credibility as Obama denying his associations with radical liberals and idiots. They were good for him to launch his career but now he denounces them???? Better open up your minds and realize what you are letting slip by your tunnel vision.
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I love it! Obama supporters all have tunnel vision and just don't know what they're doing in supporting him as a Presidential candidate. What a crock! Why are Republicans turning this into a smear campaign and not focusing on the issues? If the "whole candidate" is so unfit for office, surely focusing on the issues should expose him.
Joe Vogler spoke out against the government, he hid nothing, and I agree with most of his values. Lord Obama and his wife have a history of besmerching the intelligence and honor of the people of this country. For this campaign the Obamas and the media have quashed the remarks and associations showing them to be the elitists that they are. Aditionaly Joe Vogler worked for a living.
McCain is Irish republican Army, a former terrorist group, because his last name is Irish..........
Plus I wonder how many babies and innocent people he killed in Vietnam.....
The above statements are only fair as they are just as far fetched and ridiculous as the, laughable, desperate attacks on Obama as posted above, that sound like they were written by "tweekers" on their third day with no sleep.
Oh yeah, we don't need an animal in the White House.....
(I can picture McCain walking a leashed Sarah Palin on the white house lawn, grinning and smoking a cigar, holding back Princess Palin as she barks viciously at anybody that gets to close to the white house fence)
I wonder if McCain will ever get busted for entering her in dog fights.
It amazes me how the lefties can say what they want and insult Palin and McCain, but when they recieve return fire or someone points something out about their "sweet obama" they really lose it. They are a sensitive bunch I quess. AFCOLONEL, you jumped on smap99712 but as I see it you threw the first stone. Also, thank you for serving and DMZmarine I have no agenda, but from your untactful and unprofessional comments about Sarah Palin I have to question what type of leader you were in the military. I've been in 20 years and from what I read I'm pretty sure I wouldn't follow you through the line in Fred's. You give off the preception of leading from the rear and not from the front.
AFCOLONEL -- I think you're full of cr*p and you are certainly no retired O-6. Ayers, et al, were planning a firebombing of the NCO club at Fort Dix, when Ayers' bomb pre-detonated, killing three of his own and wounding two others. And you condone the treason and massacre that they were planning on doing? -- have you no shame?
Palins undaunting support for the AIP platform of secession is about as un-American and un-patriotic as it gets. And she does this while holding state office. This is treason against the state and the union. Talk about domestic terroism!!
Ponderous,
I can understand if McCain would have said that he invest in the housing market. I respect that, but say it to the people. When someone publically says I do not know and declines to give reasons for the statement, it appears that he is out of touch with the struggle of the people. Are you so financially set that you cannot relate to someone that is experiencing reapercussions from the economy falling a part? You have to relate to the people's struggle to truly understand how it feels to lose everything and the upward hill to getting it back. Does McCain know that feeling (the struggle) outside his POW days? There are many other POWs and veterans who are experiencing this feeling as an ongoing battle. We need something DIFFERENT from what Bush has given us for the past 8 years. McCaain only knows how to lead similar to Bush. He needs a new direction that will include every type of person not just secure those who have never lost financial stability. I am sorry, his age is an issue and lately he looks like he is dragging. He is very slow and stiff when he talks. He energy lelvs look low. So the VP has to be ready at any time to take over. Sarah is not learned enough especially when you JUST got a passport that will allow you to travel abroad and learn of other cultures. She is not ready yet. She needs more time to grow and work in government on a larger horizon. I believe if McCain had of chosen Mitt Romney, the Republican party would appear more ready to accept the presidency and reassure the American people of a solid leadership if any happened to the the president.
Link to Obama's other past. Why will he not talk about his "missing years"?
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2...
Many Americans call themselves Socialists, some even say this with pride. Why can't Obama do this?
Who is the real Barack Hussein Obama? (Can I say his middle name or is that now off-limits, too?)
Sarah Palin: Shut UP!!!!! I am so sick of the crap being pushed as truth. There are plenty of lies going around to last a lifetime. Trying to instill hate and fear into a Presidential campaign is about the lowest form of intimidation you can get. I refuse to listen to any more and will never vote for a candidate that spews this garbage. If America wants a Pit Bull and a whiner in office, so be it...it will be the sadest day in our history!
Folks: let's all look a little presidential here. In just a bit over three weeks Palin and McCain are going to go down in a landslide and Palin will forever be remembered as a frenetic attack machine. Let's just hope the republicans see her as their future salvation. Face it: a one -hit wonder sinking in the top 40.
flowerjay -- good comments. I happen to feel the same way about Obama as you feel about Palin. He should have served out his first term as Senator or run as Hillary's VP. He could use some of the maturity that John McCain and Joe Biden could offer. My ideal ticket would have been McCain as president and Obama as vice-president.
I can forgive Obama his past associations and alliances if he would have spent more time correcting these indescretions before running for president. Afterall, Dick Cheney took five student & family hardship deferments, Joe Biden took five student deferments and faked asthma for a medical waiver, Bill Clinton dodged the draft completely (hiding in the UK), Howard Dean faked a knee injury for a medical waiver (and then spent the winter ski-bumming at Sun Valley), George W. Bush flew F-102s for a couple of years before losing his nerve, and John Kerry manufactured two Purple Hearts to get the H8ll out of Vietnam. None of these men acted with the kind of courage that we would hope POTUS would have --- save Senator John McCain. He is made of very different stuff than the others I've listed.
glacierles, Sarah not only denied being a member of AIP - the AIP also confirmed that she never joined.
bobeaux, Yes, she has a high school diploma, and she also has a college degree.
Maybe because he's not a socialist?
Barack HUSSEIN Obama, why wouldn't you be able write his middle name?
Are you so dense that you can't disassociate that name from the former dictator of Iraq? Or is it just that some of you won't stand for someone with a "non-traditional" ethnic background in the White House?
(now would probably be a good time to don the tin-foil hats and start peeking out your windows, the socialists might be coming for you)
AFCOLONEL--It is appauling to me that you would bring up anything that was signed by McCain as a prisoner of war. I wonder what you would sign if you were tortured endlessly.
As for those that don't understand why Palin is going on the attack--it happens every 4 yrs, so this is nothing new. She is doing her job by trying to discredit Obama and get McCain and herself elected. So what if she is taking some low blows-- seems like she has been beat up on and has held her head high. If Obama has nothing to be ashamed of then he can do the same.
Funny how the skeletons in McCain's closet are about fraudulent bank dealings (that he was never convicted of) and in Obama's closet are some pretty scary radicals against the US. Hmmmmm---Makes me think.
LostAlaskan99712 -- Obama has not made that case that he is not. His tax plan is most certainly Marxist in principle.
Speaking of calling someone a terrorist and engendering hate, see this link:
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/1...
A very interesting development is revealed in the comments section. I've posted another link earlier with some of the evidence.
Sarah Palin has a degree in Journalism, after five schools in six years.
By camparison, Chelsea Clinton has a degree in international relations from Oxford University.
(Joe Biden has a law degree as well as a bachelors degree in history and political science)
There once was a young gov named Palin
Whose standing in the polls was trailin'
When unable to stand up to the press
She sought a way of escaping this mess,
Saying "going negative is my way of balin'"
AFCOLONEL Said: "You and your comment represent the attitude of right wing racist homophobic america."
AFC~ Racist, huh? An annoymous quote reads "The most radical racism comes from those who seek racism in other". Smap99712 didn't say anything about the color of your skin, further more, you have no idea what the color of his/her skin is. Racism was only brought into this when you brought it up... so who's the racist?! Unfortuneatly all fingers point to you.
To add to your sickening comment about John McCain as a POW. Anyone who can sit behind their badge of "honor" and condemn a fellow soldier (if that is indeed what you are)is a coward. What sickens me most if you will most likely never feel the physical or emotional pain McCain felt on those days, weeks, months, that he was being torchered. You are sitting their behind your desk, waiting for your call to war... where you will most likely sit on an AIR BASE and never leave it. You will never fly yourself into the danger zones of Iraq or Afghanistan.
Condemning a fellow soldier for what they did or didn't do while they were a POW is easily done by a paper-pusher who's most important job in a war zone is to approve the leaver of the PFC in the bunk next to you.
Furthermore, please explain to me what effect signing those papers had on the U.S. Did signing those papers pose a national security threat? Did signing those papers release the coordinances of our nuclear bomb supply? Did signing those papers effect the status of our freedom, economy, safety, or even our status with NATO or the UN!? Signing those papers showed that he is a real person, and that he was being torchered... at least he's a real soldier and allowed the ones captured before him to leave... because if it were my choice between me and you.... I would have let you rot.
No prospector, there is no "evidence" in your posts or links that indicates that Barack HUSSEIN Obama is any kind of terrorist, domestic or otherwise.
Socialist does not mean Soviet, by the way.
Guilty by association?!
At least it doesn't mean that B. HUSSEIN Obama is not trying to turn this country into the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, duh.
McCain is an IRA terrorist here to exact revenge on us for siding with Tony Blair and the evil British Empire.
His last name is Irish so that means it's true!
Speaking of socialism--why doesn't America have a problem with Obama's health care plan? He is going to MANDATE health care and if you don't have it for your children you will be fined!! WHAT! Don't I live in America--where my choices are just that CHOICES?!
Don't worry about the Palin attack rallies. The only people they impress are the already-converted out in right-wing Crazy-Base Land. The amusing thing is that the more angry these rallies get with calls from the crowd for violence against Obama, the more normal Americans will turn away from Old Man McCain and Palin.
Nutters in the Fairbanks Right-wing echo chamber will follow McCain off the cliff before they figure out their mistake...
Lost -- I think you're the only one on this board making allusions to Obama being a terrorist. You should stop this. It's just not true. What is true, however, is that Obama allied himself with unabashed socialists, communists, and erstwhile domestic terrorists. He write about this in his memoirs and the record is replete with evidence. His government policies are most certainly socialist in application. For that matter, so is Washington's recent bail-outs. So, it's quite apparent that soon, we'll all be French.
BTW, it's now making the rounds on the internet that the individual that shouted "kill him" at the Palin rally is an Obama activist-plant. This is what they do.
twitgirl: Thanks for your vicious attack. Treason is treason! FYI: I have flown 188 combat missions, never crashed a plane (McShame totalled 5). Your personal attack only shows the desperation of the right. You better learn to live with President Barak Hussein Obama. He will certainly be a better leader than the imbecille that got us in to this socialist bailout mess we are in now. This economic crisis is just beginning. There are still 60 TRILLION $ in bad paper out there. Say hello to the deep depression of 2009. As for coward, you need look no further than our own Governor, hurling insult after insult a a highly educated statesman. Keep foaming at your mouth, your bile will only amuse me. Looking forward to your next manure belch!
I am not really all that thrilled with either party at this point, but I have my preferences.
Here's a thought - instead of kvetching ad nauseum about who is doing wht, why don't we all take a deep breath, vote when it's time, and focus on being less bitter about the actions of people over which we have no control? Did anyone REALLY think that we were going to have any kind of government race WITHOUT everyone telling us who to vote for and why if you vote for the other you're a nincompoop?
Also, Obama's forgein policy is extremely scary to our national security. He has proved to me and many that he is very 'green behind the ears' when talking about the offense and defense of the US. He wants to sit down with forgein leaders without precondition, when he announced in the first debate that he would go to war with Pakistan! He talks about McCain saying that he would go to war with Iran or North Korea--well guess what--THEY ARE NOT OUR ALLIES! I think Obama needs another 4 yrs to get some experience and then run for President, hell I might vote for him then. Maybe.
prospector, where you and I differ is that I do not believe every ridiculous thread I read on the internet.
but here you go, these should be right up your alley-
http://www.etherzone.com/2008/nath021108...
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/8676...
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/dreyfuss/...
Sarah Palin goes on the attack. Mandated by the McCain camp because they, of all people, know she's better at "hate speeches" and "generalizations" than she is on knowing anything specific (hint: watch her in the VP debate; she never actually answered a question, but always dodged it. Also watch her interview with Katie Couric - embarrasing for her and for Alaskans).
And how are the people who want to vote for McCain/Palin okay with this? Wouldn't you rather have your candidate focus on the current situation of the economy instead of smearing the other side?
I have to agree with ArcticWriter; if McCain truly knows how to get Bin Laden, then why in the h$%& hasn't he done anything about it? Is he actually withholding valuable information from the US Gov't?
So, the fact that Obama's middle name is Hussein makes him a terrorist? AAAAKKK! Please tell me you do not think like this, my fellow citizens.
So since Obama has spoken with and been on a board with someone who 40 years ago was an extreme radical - does this mean that Obama must be a terrorist? By that count, since I have spoken with and been on a board with a doctor, I must be a doctor too, and believe everything he believed 40 years ago. AAAAAKKKKK! Please tell me you have better reasoning skills than this, my fellow citizens.
Is there anyone about whom we cannot dig up something from their past that we can make sound terrible? Next we'll be saying that McCain cheated off the paper of the student next to him in the second grade, so he must be a cheater, or that Obama pulled down the pants of a neighborhood child when he was 2 so he must be a gay rapist. What justification is there for using scare tactics and mob mind tactics to get votes? AAAKKK! Please tell me that you are not falling for that stuff, my fellow citizens. How gullible are you??? There is too much at stake here.
AFColonel - my father may have given you some mission briefings over there.
I don't think I have seen Mr. McCain's health records as of yet. He seems to have slipped into the early stages of Dementia. Calling people "prisoners" during a speech, forgetting who is in charge in Afghanistan. And it must be contagious because his wife forgot that Mr. McCain voted no on war spending as well.
I can understand the public getting all riled up about Bill Ayers. After all, when Mr. Obama was 7 years old his "friend" was not a very nice guy. At least Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama have the Annenburg's in common.
As for Ms. Palin - the negative rhetoric is working - against her. Every time she heads for the gutter, she drops in the polls. I assume that is a tactic the Republican's will use until November 4. Then they can blame our governor for the loss - never said the republicans were stupid.
My road-trip has taken me to Houston today.....Texan's are curious about our first lady. They keep asking me if she has always been this nasty.......
Thank you DMZMarine, for your service and for your ability to learn from your experience what McCain evidently didn't. And thank you AFCOLONEL!
PDavenport- So, Obama couldn't fix the problems of a crime ridden neighborhood with thousands of people in a couple of years? What was he doing there is the first place when he could have been on Wall Street, ripping America off for billions of dollars? He's certainly got the brains to be a billionaire, but he chose to use his brains and talent to work with people less fortunate. He could have left his injured wife and children and married a blond beer heiress to further his political career too, but he didn't. McCain has never even seen a bad neighborhood, much less worked in one for two years.
As for Ayres, he is not a terrorist anymore. He's a tenured college professor. Check out the "terrorist" and whacked-out pastor Palin is pallin' around with. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3-WTy8cN... I'll take Rev. Wright any day of the week over the wacko Rev. Muthee of Palin's, the witch purger from Kenya. Her other pastor told his congregation that if they voted for Kerry in the '04 election, their salvation was in question. Vote for a Republican, go to heaven, vote for a Democrat, go to hell. Some dogma, eh?
Rev. Wright served in the Marine Corps and Navy for a nation that forbid him to eat in white people's restaurants or learn in white people's schools, so it's no wonder that he may not have the respect for America that white people might. Wright's message in that sound-bitten sermon was that we need some serious self-examination as a nation. I couldn't agree more. God WOULD damn America's sins of founding our nation on the slavery of black people and the genocide of native Americans, nuking thousands of Japanese civilians, and experimenting on black men so doctors could see how VD progresses. In spite of Wright's anger at some of our sins, his church does great things for their community. They have a gang ministry, (really turning lives around), an elder care ministry, an AIDS ministry, and a childcare center. Wright's church does a lot more for his community than Palin's church does for hers. It's also inclusive, having a congregation of all races, ages, and income levels, not the witch-hunting weirdness Palin's consists of. (See above film.)
McCain's idea of helping bad neighborhoods would be bombing them. It seems to be his solution for everything. http://www.truthout.org/100508A This article DOCUMENTS who the 'Make-Believe Maverick' really is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1AWeZrdx... This video is the sister of a POW sharing her harrowing experience with McCainiac with the National Press Club. Where was the corporate media? This was posted in JUNE! I hope neither McCain or Palin ever get near the red button. He might have a temper tantrum and blow us all away, and she might “hear” God telling her to bring on the apocalypse.
there once was a man named Obama
Who did not like Alaskas' Mama
he called her a pig
cause she threatened his gig
and I bet he is friends with Osama
AFCOLONEL: You do not write like an intelligent O-6, misspelling commonly used words and the name of your own presidential candidate. Your 188 combat mission story sounds an awful lot like Capt. Marrets' well publicized story. You must have seen the movie, eh?
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/user/n...
I am a Marine war veteran. I find it appalling how easily McCain can say that he will deploy our most precious treasure into harms way. His willingness to do the prior when American interests are not clearly supported (for securing public opinion) meets the US definition of terrorism (I will not supply it here you can look it up). Next, I wonder how McCain was captured? Every serviceman knows that they are supposed to fight until fighting is no longer possible. Yet, he is more than willing to pass the responsibility (he relinquished) to our 'most precious treasure' for objectives that do not benefit most American's.
Obama on the other hand wants to exhaust all means of diplomacy prior to putting our youth at risk. How does the prior goal reduce American influence?
AFCOLONEL is correct that the US military industrial complex is is profiting from the war in Iraq. Also, President Eisenhower did point out the threat that war profitability poses to Americans. The Iraq war is simply an extension of the monetary benefit the Republican party does want to impart to the wealtiest American's. God bless the USA.
Go ahead Proletariat and sing your tired song...
Because you didn't wreck an aircraft doesn't make you a better pilot, it shows that you are in a different war at a different time. So are you saying that those soldiers who have been injured/died because their aircraft went down, are less worthy of our respect than you?
Hurling insults? This is shared by both parties, not just by the Republican party.... or are you deaf to everything except your own politically infested beliefs? This is the time in the campaign where insults are hurled... and she is guilty. So is Biden, Obama, and McCain... EQUALLY She is just sticking up for herself as each party is doing.
Treason is Treason you're right! And I never said that wasn't the case. But I'm sure along the way of you becoming a "Colonel" you signed along a dotted line that stated you would follow your commander and chiefs orders at any cost and never question him. So, you're breaking the military code! You hide in your annonomity because if you were to caught typing such slanderous things... you could be punished. So, he may have signed along a dotted line of worthless papers, but he was being physically torchered. You signed along a dotted line willingly and are voluntarily a coward.
You're wrong the person who put us in this economic mess is not, and has never been our president. You are 1 of only 5% of American's who actually believes this mess if because of President Bush & his administration. Most, free thinking Americans, believe that this mess was caused by Congress, and then Consumers. Bush is an easy target for people like Barney Frank or Chris Dodd, who led the way for such companies as Frankie & Freddie to waste away our economy. Deregulation is not something that can be accomplished solely by the President. It was accomplished by Republicans & Democrats alike, through Congress... Do your research....
Goldstreamer: Thats a good one! LOL. Keep writing stuff like that! I like funny (and TRUE) stuff!
Obama sucks. But so does McCain. Vote for Bob Barr this election! We need totally new leadership in this great nation of ours!
"and I bet he is friends with Osama"
I'll take that bet.
Anybody read how McCain is an illegal alien?
Did you know that McCain has ties to Libyan terrorists?
he is also the Anti-Christ?
(follow my links posted above)
Nostradamus said the third anti-Christ's name is mabus, that is pretty close to Obama, so what do you think of that?
Goldstreamer: I don't think Obama is the Anti-Christ (lol) Deep down, hes really just a stupid person. The anti-christ has to be smart to do everything he is going to do. Without his campaigne managers writing for him, he has no idea what to say. He studdards. DAAHHHH! Thats what he says. Seriously. LOL.
Lost -- unlike you I am not lost, nor do I resort to immature hyperbole and straw-man flagellation.
thutto -- you do understand that Obama promises to escalate hostilities in Afghanistan and widen the theater of war into Pakistan if he feels it's in U.S. interests, right? Glad you brought up President Eisenhower's farewell speech. Here's a link to it so that you can finally understand it in its full context:
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches...
If you read this, you will learn that he gives equal warning to scientists running amok and influencing our politics (global warming?).
Your slander of John McCain and your mis-statement regarding duty and capture indicates that you have never actually been to Boot Camp let alone USMC School of Infantry. I would contend that if knocked out of the sky, nearly drowning, with concussion and several broken limbs, and a bayonet thrust through your ribs, that even a lion like you would put up a weak fight. Through my indoctrination and subsequent service, we were trained to survive the fight, evade capture, and if cpatured, use all honorable measures to live to return home. John McCain did precisely this.
Diane Feinstein's husband and John Murtha's brother are defense contractors and by your definition, war profiteers. They are democrats. What do you say to them?
Satin prays on stupidity
Prospector, wondering if thutto was a marine is strange.
nights in white SATIN.....
Bush was elected with stupidity.
"prospector"- you should tell that to your cronies who insist on repeatedly labeling Obama as a terrorist/soviet/antichrist/muslim.....
Wow. Judging by that sentence, you may be in trouble, goldstreamer...
Whaddya figure polyester preys on?
Lost - none of my "cronies" or people I associate with have ever called Obama a terrorist/soviet/antichrist/or muslim. It's you who keeps repeating this.
I will, however, say that in the past he has been a member of a democratic-socialist organization known as The New Party. Literally, a card carrying member and listed on their roster. I've already given the links to the proof.
But here is an even more interesting story developing as I type this. There is gaining evidence that Obama did not write "Dreams of My Father" and that the ghost writer is none other than William Ayers, a prolific writer and mentor to young Obama. Considering that Obama never wrote a piece of scholarly work as a law prof. this may indicate an inability to articulate thoughts on paper. See this link for more:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2...
Twingirl and Prospector thank you for your astute observations. McCain is surely enhanced by your characterization. I suppose the axis of evil has a health care plan.
I would not undo my past if I could, but certainly I am appreciative of the support Americans like you are willing to impart to those that actually served. If you were an infantryman you would know the meaning of Semper Fi. How are you being faithful prospector?
I was just testing
devil with the red dress on?
yeah I read the articles and so what? I can't see why you would post those links then try to convince everybody that he is some kind of evil person because YOU think he is.............
Being a member of some "democratic-socialist" party is not as bad as McCains "friendship" with a former Libyan terrorist leader.
Is that the worst you can come up with about Obama? I'd say he's doing pretty good so far then, though I can't say the same for his "competition".
uhoh2: "Palins undaunting support for the AIP platform of secession is about as un-American and un-patriotic as it gets. And she does this while holding state office. This is treason against the state and the union. Talk about domestic terroism!!"
xxx
I hope everyone realizes that this entire comment is an absolute lie. Sarah Palin is not and has never been a member of the AIP and dows NOT support secession!
why not?
jmailman1999 wrote: "Without his campaigne managers writing for him, he has no idea what to say. He studdards. DAAHHHH! Thats what he says. Seriously. LOL."
I guess Obama must have been channeling his campaign managers the other night in the town hall style debate then, because I didn't see any teleprompters or see Obama reading from notes as he spoke.
All of you who are searching for a reason not to vote for Obama, just vote for McCain and move on. Your ignorant comments will only change the minds of those who are just as ignorant as you are. A lot of you are just like the KKK instead of hiding behind sheets you choose to hide behind a computer screen.
thutto - My mottos were Semper Fi and Semper Paratus. I remain faithful by never forgetting the oath that I swore (and still proudly stand by) and I remain ready by keeping fit, operationally aware, and mentally astute. Thanks for asking. Where does Chesty sleep tonight?
Lost -- you continually try to make the case that Obama is an evil person, but he's not. He's a brilliant law student, part-time law lecturer, nascent lawmaker, and democratic nominee for president who intends to implement socialist fiscal and educational policies. Why are you so afraid of learning about him? I prefer John McCain, but if Obama is elected, he will be my president. Can you make the same oath if McCain is elected?
1manofGod -- why do you feel like you must demean your political opponents by comparing them to racist terrorists? Are you truly that vacuous?
"I suppose the axis of evil has a health care plan."
Yup, Obama has it all written out!
No I am not, but consider this. If Obama was white this would not even be a discussion. When a person would rather have 4 more years of heart ache rather than elect a man because of color that says a lot.
If McCain is pushing an Irish agenda, how come he hasn't offered to buy the nation a round of whiskey yet? God knows we need it right now.
Racism is out there in this election. Today I saw a highly incendiary bit of graffiti about Obama at Fred Meyer, and the intent was clearly racist. However, I give most of those who oppose him the benefit of the doubt. Most of the conservatives I know who dislike Obama are not the least racist (they love Condi Rice, for crying out loud). Their opposition to Obama is about culture and politics. There's a big divide in this country, and that's where it lies. Obama is across the cultural divide from them. Has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with differences in values. It's the same reason lefties hate Bush. Very few candidates could bridge that divide. Neither side wants to meet halfway.
As for the article above (remember that?), I'm personally disappointed with Sarah. I had admired her as governor precisely because she stayed above the partisan fray and focused on getting things done. I suspect McCain will lose the election, and if that happens, Sarah will come back and find herself holding far less political capital. People who willingly worked with her in the past are going to hold this against her. She'll never enjoy the support she had again, and that's a shame. We had a very effective governor, but whichever way the election turns out, we won't have that person again.
Prospector: Chesty Puller would vote for Obama:) Having served the suck faithfully and readily I now want to serve America via support of people that want to heal Americans rather than hurt them.
Osama Bin Laden is in Pakistan and the US needs to kill that SOB. Obama wants to go after him and I am for that. Perhaps then Americans will stop divesting themselves of civil liberties due to the popular phobia of T E R R O R I S T S. Our troops need a clear objective, they are not a police force. Killing Osama Bin Laden is the victory our troops deserve. The Romans went to Africa to secure the head of Hannibal. America should not settle for anything less.
Socialism is not communism. Canada, Britain, France, Australia, Germany, Sweden, and many other NON-communist nations are socialist. "Social" means "people" and "capital" means "money". It kind of prioritizes what comes first in a society, people or money. I find it kind of bizarre that the right wing claims that we were founded as a Christian nation, when God said, "The love of money is the root of all evil," yet our nation was created with wealthy white people owning black people because the south wouldn't join the union unless they let them own slaves because of the free labor. Hence, money has been way more important than people from the very beginning in America. Yet we still claim to be "God's chosen nation." Why would God sanction a nation that violated one of His basic rules regarding evil from the very beginning?
In Australia, people go public school from preschool through college, have health care for every citizen, and from what I gather, aren't having a financial meltdown, so maybe socialism isn't the evil entity the capitalist media make it out to be, eh? http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/austral...
This article is titled, "Australia will ride out storm." Maybe we could learn a few lessons about how to run a nation from socialists and stop listening to the capitalists who have run us into a 10 trillion dollar deficit. Maybe Australia is God's chosen nation. :-) They're not involved in trying to take over the world with greed, and they take care of all their people. Are they perfect? No, but they're sure better off than we are right now, and they've got just as much "stuff" and are every bit, if not more, modern and technologically advanced as we are.
So stop with the socialist stuff already! I've always been a socialist because I've always believed that people should come before money. I learned that value in Sunday School when I was a kid, and always thought it was a good thing. I haven't believed America was God's chosen nation since the Vietnam War, when, as a teenager, I watched my nation slaughter three million people who never did a thing to us. I have also watched morals decay in the media because making money is more important to America than taking care of the children. I'm not for censorship, I'm for societal responsibility, and since the bottom dollar is the bottom line in America, I can't see that ever happening. Too bad, so sad.
Gad! Talk about a lot of baloney...and from both sides. Come on folks! Using lies and hyperbolic exaggerations isn't going to influence people, except to ignore the rest of what you have to say.
Use the TRUTH!!! And it is helpful if you can cite your sources. I suggest that some well known sources are NOT regarded as unbiased or even truthful.
BTW: To the folks saying McCain is pushing an Irish agenda that I responded to a few posts back (and yes, I know, you folks are just joking), the name McCain sounds more Scottish than Irish to me. That means he might buy us all a drink, but later he'd condemn us as sinners for taking him up on it.
Even worse, come to think of it, the drink he'd buy us would be Budweiser. Egads! That's some of the worst beer on earth, and he married into it! We can't, under any circumstances, allow that man to become our president. Obama may be an elitist, but at least that means he'd probably buy us a pitcher of decent microbrew.
twitgirl: Just read your post. Boy are you ever ignorant. (Stupid as a Palin)I was in Vietnam, same war! I am one of 80% of Americans that think Bush got us into this. End of discussion.
whats the deal with palin the pit & G. gorden liddy check out alaska report palin; pallin with hypocrisy.
1manofGod -- you bring up an interesting point. If Obama were white, there would be no issue because he never would have made it through the primaries and Hillary would be the Dem nominee. Bill Clinton had this pegged exactly correct, as did Geraldine Ferraro. With his skimpy background and his poor performance as compared to real heavyweights like Clinton and Biden, no one would have paid attention to a white Obama. This actually says mounds about who it is that is obsessed with race.
Doris.... well said, very well said. I wouldn't change a comma of what you wrote. One of the most intelligent comments in this whole discussion is yours. Thank you.
Socialism cannot exist without capitalism as a stand alone social/financial system, it stifles the human spirit to strive...
Conversely, capitalism cannot exist without socialism, it is too heartless and the law of the jungle rules....
Witness who is going to be paying for the latest round of unfettered capitalism (otherwise known as corporate welfare or oligarchist).
It's us damn socialist/capitalists once again.
AFCOLONEL and DITZmarine. Nice try.
there was a v.p. nominee named Sarah
there was heard a great hoorah
she listened to McCain
to become a great pian
and the democrats wish she would just piss off
It was about time these issues were raised about Obama. Someone had to do it. I didn't know that Obama was associated with these type of people until she brought it up; the media was to busy smearing her trooper gate incident on ever channel and newspaper cover accoss the country. Why did they not put these issues on the headlines everyday all day long like they did to her? I consider these issues a very relevant, when it comes to a candidate who could be our next president. No red flags went off in his mind when he judged their characters. That trooper gate incident is a small beans compared to these allegations made about Barrack Obama. He doesn't even own up to his relationships with these people. He tried to brush these associations off like they were no big deal. Does that mean he admits he used them to advance his political career, but now he doesn't need them anymore, so it doesn't matter?
Americans are now seeing "who the real Sarah Palin is."
prospector-
I (myself) do not need to make any "oaths" about whomever gets elected, like I said- I READ YOUR LINKS, the point is you can find near ANYTHING negative about a candidate on the web and SO WHAT if Obama is a "socialist"? YOU are the one trying to make like there is something wrong with that, not me.
Whoever gets elected just better bring the value of our dollar back up, not for themselves or their rich golf buddies but for EVERYBODY, the dollar is worth so little that the Canadians now come to the U.S. with their loonies and laugh at how stupid Americans are for letting their countries economy go to s**t.
Canadians laugh at us because we allow OUR government to control us, the exact opposite of the way the system is SUPPOSED to work and it's dubyas flock of sheeple that can be thanked for that.
Bush/Palin/McCain- could sell any one of their supporters the Brooklyn bridge, and they would buy it-
"baaa! baaaa!-whatever you say is gospel my lords-baaaa! baaaa!"
Is it too much to ask that limericks at least make a bit of sense and rhyme all at the same time? I mean, all the dirty ones you see on bathroom walls do. You know this thread is running out of steam when the posters show less wit and imagination than your typical teen-aged boy in a public toilet with a magic marker.
Also, most of those teenagers are better spellers.
Sad.
A C, that is an enlightening post
Quoth glacierles: "Palin has denied being a member of AIP, and I've seen no evidence to the contrary." That's splitting hairs. I suggest you check out this little gem of a video that demonstrates clearly that Palin was palling around with secessionists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7i...
This is what is wrong with socialism:
1. People lie and claim that they are not socialists;
2. Socialism kills the entreprenuereal spirit.... from WSJ's Kim Strassel in today's issue:
"To kick off our show tonight, Mr. Obama will give 95% of American working families a tax cut, even though 40% of Americans today don't pay income taxes! How can our star enact such mathemagic? How can he "cut" zero? Abracadabra! It's called a "refundable tax credit." It involves the federal government taking money from those who do pay taxes, and writing checks to those who don't. Yes, yes, in the real world this is known as "welfare," but please try not to ruin the show.
For his next trick, the Great Obama will jumpstart the economy, and he'll do it by raising taxes on the very businesses that are today adrift in a financial tsunami! That will include all those among the top 1% of taxpayers who are in fact small-business owners, and the nation's biggest employers who currently pay some of the highest corporate tax rates in the developed world. Mr. Obama will, with a flick of his fingers, show them how to create more jobs with less money. It's simple, really. He has a wand."
I bet most of you did not know that Obama intends classic socialist wealth re-distribution and that you buy his cock and bull story.
Lost -- maybe the Canadians you know are just laughing at you. If you haven't noticed, the U.S. dollar is gaining strength. If you think that the Canadian government is not more over-bearing than our good ol' dysfunctional Washington D.C., then you have never had to deal formally with the Canucks. They're not too bad and a whole lot better than europe, but I prefer our style of government and our way of doing business. But look, I wholeheartedly endorse you giving it a go in Canada or Australia. Write when you get your work permit, okay?
I will not be voting for Palin because I do not support or condone her lies. Nor do I see any good in this woman who hires people and expects absolute loyalty at all costs. She is a liability to this state and can't hold to her word. She has no honor or integrity. She is an embarrassment and I cannot believe the people who will comment in support of her just because she is our governor and want her to win at all costs. Try and dispute her many lies on video. She is guilty of bad judgement as is McCain. I do not want anyone in office who is dumb enough to use a private email for state business, nor anyone who expects someone to commit an illegal act because of their own agenda. I'm also tired of hearing either through her or her mouthpieces that she doesn't know what goes on in her own administration as in the case of troopergate and the proof that her hubby and people in her administration put pressure on Monegan two dozen times. She didn't know her replacement for Monegan had a sexual harassment complaint against him and didn't believe it...whoops there's an email from his victim. Check out Kopps resignation on youtube for more insight into Palin. Very telling video. All this on top of all the other lies she has told. 3 ethics complaints, all her lies on video, the attacks and smear campaign on her opponents. Makes me wonder where peoples value systems are when this behavior is okay. Scary!
SandyAK -- do you condone Joe Biden's lies? How about Barack Obama's lies? Is it okay with you when Obama lies about his past relationship with W. Ayers, ACORN, and the New Party or about legislative accomplishments that he had no part it? How about when Biden simply makes stuff up, like how "we" kicked the Syrians out of Lebanon? I didn't know that Joe Biden was Lebanese, did you?
prospector, there is nothing wrong with Obamas past, do you see/hear the helicopters circling your house? they're watching you.............
What about McCains past with Muammar Gaddafi?(the dictator of Libya)
Palin is coming off as a Fascist, spouting hatred... allowing it grow into potential violence.
btw, I've spent lotso time in Canada, been to every province and have allot of good friends there, trust me they laugh at biased, paranoid sheeple like you.
But I'M not really worried about the value of the dollar as my income is such that I don't have to budget really, just for extra spending cash if I want...
Lost -- so what? I'm laughing at you, therefore, you should change your vote. Besides, I think you're full of cr*p. I have a number of Canadian friends and clients, too. They're all working in Alaska. Why is that?
draconianslacker -- I think you're right. The Republican crowds are starting to sound like liberal democrats. We expect this kind of absurd vitriol from liberals, but hearing it coming from the right is unbecoming. Republicans and conservatives have a strong reputation for being orderly, respectful, and tolerant. It would be a sad day for America if everyone started acting like liberal democrats.
You can't believe everything you read or see on TV. Keep plastering each others. It is funny how you all become children and start slinging mud.
thebanks - said the pot to the kettle, eh?
prospector- because they don't have to pay taxes here, you're not the only one with Canadian friends.
Besides, you're laughing at a picture of a person that you have made up in your own head, pathetic, Junior high insults make you look dumb.
Republicans have a strong reputation all right-
stuck-up, ignorant, arrogant, aloof and greedy.
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