Borough's wood stove debate burns on
by Amanda Bohman / abohman@newsminer.com
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Penny Dean, a grandparent of a Wood River Elementary School student, holds a sign as the borough mayor explains his revised air pollution plan Tuesday, March 9, 2010, during the borough Air Pollution Control Commission meeting. Sam Harrel/News-Miner
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FAIRBANKS — The air pollution control commission debated the borough mayor’s chimney smoke ordinance late into the night Tuesday following hours of public testimony.

It was not clear as of press time whether the commission would endorse the mayor’s plan to curb air pollution.

One issue of contention was suggested limits on lot size for outdoor wood boilers.

Overall, the measure sets limits on the types of solid fuel burning devices, or wood and coal stoves, that can be installed in the borough. It limits the kinds of fuels that can be burned and sets fines for chimney smoke pollution. It also establishes government subsidies to encourage people to swap their dirty stoves for cleaner ones.

“If we can show that we can reduce our particulate levels through voluntary measures, then we don’t need any of those other measures,” Mayor Luke Hopkins said.

A mandate by the federal government to curb a pollutant known as PM 2.5, which is known to cause heart and lung problems, prompted the measure.

More than 50 people attended the meeting, which began at 6:30 p.m. Almost 30 people testified. It was 11 p.m. before the commissioners began discussing the measure.

Those who testified in favor of the ordinance complained about air pollution, especially from outdoor wood boilers.

“I came here tonight because I am a victim of an outdoor boiler,” dog musher Suzan Amundson said. “I came here to support the ordinance.”

Patrice Lee said her son, who has heart problems, cannot attend school when the air quality is poor. She supports the measure as well.

Those opposing the measure had many complaints, including the federal government’s air pollution regulations, the plan’s limits on outdoor wood boilers in densely populated neighborhoods and the wood smoke enforcement and fines.

Mark Wiebold, who works for The Woodway, had mixed feelings about the measure. He criticized the components requiring wood stove retailers to turn in paperwork to the borough after every stove sale.

“All you’re doing is building a database that somebody has to manage that may or not be useful down the line,” Wiebold said.

He suggested the borough focus less on the stoves and more on the smokestacks.

“What’s important is what’s coming out of the stack. If it’s clean burning, why bother them?”

Wiebold agreed with the chimney smoke regulations.

“I don’t understand why you can’t already call somebody at the borough and say, ‘I am choking out here. Protect me.’”

John Berdahl said the borough needs to add language to make sure the nuisance section of the ordinance isn’t used by squabbling neighbors to harass each other by making air quality complaints.

“There’s nothing in there to hold people responsible for false reports,” he said.

Hopkins took the meeting’s first hour to go over the ordinance page-by-page, describing what the measure does and does not do.

“We aren’t going up on anybody’s roof to check somebody’s chimney or anything like that,” Hopkins said. “We are not asking for permits. We are not registering stoves.”

The mayor mentioned pending changes to the ordinance, include revised definitions for pellet stove and cook stove. He plans to tweak the list of permitted devices, adding solid fuel burning units that may not appear on a list approved by the Environmental Protection Agency but nonetheless are known to burn cleanly.

Hopkins also wants to give wood stove dealers 30 days instead of seven, as written in the ordinance, to turn in paperwork to the borough detailing stove sales.

The mayor told the commission he wants to add a component to subsidize people who replace old chimney stacks.

“There are really old chimneys out there and we need to address them,” Hopkins said.

The federal government requires the borough to turn in a plan to curb air pollution by late 2012. If no plan is developed, the state could lose federal assistance.

The voters last October were asked whether the state or the borough should develop an air pollution plan, and a majority selected the borough.
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ONAPA
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March 12, 2010
There are some inaccuracies in the statement from the Article that "The voters last October were asked whether the state or the borough should develop an air pollution plan, and a majority selected the borough." This voter voted to retain control of Government Regualtion at the local level, and NOT burden other areas with our issues. We should all want to see the Borough's study results from other communities with similar problems before our local representatives take any action. What worked for them, why it worked, and applicability to our community has not been addressed. Placing blame on an appliance, or activity and exempting the worst of our poor air quality contributors without justification is wrong. The borough is attempting to regulate only what they can control which does not come close to fixing the problem.

Bottom line, the Government does not have sufficient expertise, funding, or authority to regulate air quality, environment, or neighborly conduct. They also do not have the right to interfere with the peaceful persuit of life no matter what it smells like.
trouty
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March 12, 2010
Don't forget that fuel oil gives off a pollutant as well: carbon dioxide. The carbon in fossil fuels was mined from the ground whereas the carbon from wood was recycled from the air by trees. Wood is natural solar energy with a net carbon dioxide production of zero. The current woodstove debate is really over which pollution we want to produce when we heat our homes: carbon dioxide or pm2.5.
1AhHa
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March 12, 2010
by the way, come June 1

Low sulphur stove oil will only be sold.

Look for the price to go up.

and the state to continue selling your royalty crude to the refineries after marking it up 7 times over cost.

this is done to make money for the state and fund it 8 billion dollar budget for about 700,000 people.

Fools and the vote are soon parted?

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1AhHa
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March 12, 2010
FACT - Acute or Chronic, SMOKE KILLS.

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I am writing this from the grave.

Next time I am in Sam's I inform the people buying cigarettes they are dead.

Smoking is hazardous to your health.

There is no evidence that wood smoke harms anyone around here, especially in the winter when we are perfectly safe in their homes.

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kjlyu

Breathe
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March 11, 2010
So I guess I'm making up the coal smoke coming from the church on Dawson (near Hurst)? And the wet wood/inefficient burning plumes from various other structures. Drive down Dawson. Breathe deeply. Good luck to you and your family and your lungs. Watch everyone for asthma in the next few years. I mean that.

I do heat with with oil. The boiler is efficient and well-tuned. It only runs for a couple of hours a day, as opposed to all day wet wood and coal. Which is better or worse? You do the math.

The air here, in this neighborhood, has never been this bad in 40 years. Why would I get on here and say something about it if there were no problem? It is a serious issue--there are many in this neighborhood who are feeling ill and are disgusted that this is allowed, that people can poison you and your family in your own home.
shaggy74
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March 11, 2010
Thank you Morym. There are some people with common sense on here. By the way...I drive down Hurst road every day being as I live off of it. My neighboorhood is filled with wood boilers and wood stoves and my family and I get out and enjoy the outdooors plenty without having to fight through the plumes of smoke from these horrible stoves. A prisoner in your own house...give me a friggin break. You choose to be so you can sit in there all day and complain about the big meanies burning wood.
Bobzilla
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March 11, 2010
Complaint system, huh? Anybody got the mayor's address slong with our borough members?

Just asking ;)
Bobzilla
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March 11, 2010
Breathe, how are you heating your house? You do know that your boiler (or what ever) also emits smoke and other "stuff" that neither you nor your neighbor want inside your homes. Right? So you also have a hand in this, as each of us do. Unless of course you don't heat your house, in that case I apologise, but i doubt it. Maybe your neighbors are tired of your pollution, please turn off your heat.
MJEofFairbanks
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March 11, 2010
I'd just like to restate that there's no need for registering and creating more paperwork. It should just be on a complaint system.

A neighbor complains, and the burrough sends out a person to test the offenders smoke. There should be some sort of device out there that you can just point at the smoke coming from a stack, and take a density reading or something. from there, it's either a warning issued or a fine. And the only people concerned, are those actually offending the neighbors or community.

morym
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March 10, 2010
Breathe, get off it, I don't live in your neighborhood, and I don't heat with wood....YET!

But that is my choice, not yours...not the boroughs. get over your bad self.

What is your problem about putting it to a vote? afraid you might be in the minority?

I don't need you, or the borough making my decisions for me.
deadmoo
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March 10, 2010
I support a ban on wood stoves in permanent residents in the borough. Recreational properties not used as primary residence should be exempt if the owner can prove they own property elsewhere and it where they reside day to day. Beyond that nobody has any need to pollute to the level wood does compared to other fuel sources. It would also reduce the number of chimney fires and the cost of responding to them for the borough. Go Luke, Go!
socom
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March 10, 2010
Sounds like some of you live in bad neighborhoods. None of my neighbors are complaining about wood stoves. Heck, over half of the houses have wood stove chimneys. Think I'll stuff my firebox full of green poplar and wish all you want-to-be-regulated types a good evening.
myAlaska
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March 10, 2010
Just listen to yourselves complaining about the EPA, Goverment, Big Oil bla, bla, bla. Bottom line We need Goverment without it everyone would burn all thier trash and create toxins, you would burn each other for fuel to save a buck. Someone has to regulate your stinking smoke machines. You want to be warm? Move down south. Big oil?, You like it when your dividend check comes your way don't you. Republicans in general do not like the EPA doesn't Alaska favor doing their own thing anyway? Talk about Goverment in your house, where was the Tea Baggers whining when Bush took away over 32 of your rights during his tenure but it was all ok as long as you had your one right to bear arms. Heat your house with that hot air. You are all correct in your own way but remember to vote correctly again in 2012 nah vote the other way and forget the EPA and polute the air like mad and dump waste all over the place so your kids can breathe and play in a world of toxic waste so you could use your stinky stoves. Let me fire up my smoker 24/7 I will join you.
Yukonjohn
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March 10, 2010
Hopkins took the meeting’s first hour to go over the ordinance page-by-page, describing what the measure does and does not do.

And we trust Luke WHY?!?! This is the same guy that sat by his woodstove and said he would not mess with our woodstoves!!! He does not tell the truth, and if he told me the sky was blue, I would want a second opinion.
rationalcitizen
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March 10, 2010
"What gives the Federal Government the right to tell us what our air quality should be? I think we know what's best for us and our families."

And what homeowner thinks its their right to sacrifice other people's health so they can burn green wood? Lets get real.

As for the EPA, and all the other health regulators in the US, without them you would be using leaded gas, and getting alot more anti-freeze in your toothpaste, salmonella and ecoli in your food, leaded paint on your kids toys, and the pollution gagging cars of the 70's. The EPA has its faults, but its hardly the conspiracy riddled agency you want it to be.
Breathe
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March 10, 2010
The government would stay out of your house if you would keep your smoke out of mine! There's tyranny on this end, too, you know. I am a prisoner in my own home thanks to wet wood and coal smoke.

All of you wet wood and coal burners must be employees of GVEA because now I have to pay more to them to run air cleaners and my vacuum more often for the soot dust. And you must work for the pharmaceutical companies, and local clinics and hospital, too. How much revenue does a typical lung illness generate? Maybe you work for the EPA, creating pollution and poison so that you can have a job cleaning up and controlling the pollution you create.

I still don't get how anyone can condone wet wood and coal burning in residential areas.
morym
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March 10, 2010
PUT IT TO A VOTE .....

Either the people control the government, or we as a constitutional nation are through. The demise of your Constitutional right are right in front of you and they (the government)at the Borough level, not Washington are jerking your rights out from under you and are exerting their control, I think that's called tyranny. That is when the government quits listening. The majority of posters and the majority of the folks that show up at the Assembly meeting do not think this is a good idea, PUT IT TO A VOTE then everybody will know. Get the government out of my house.
socom
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March 10, 2010
Visit the FNSB website and you can find the approved 2010 budget. Do a search for air quality and you will find evidence of the burro's plan for a post-IM air quality burrocracy. They received a grant from the US DOT Congestion Management Air Quality (CMAQ) Program of $72,500, $539,719 from state revenue from US DOT, and $290,368 of US DOT for PM 2.5 Reductions. Getting the ordinance passed is another hurdle they must clear to get more funds. Even though IM is gone, they increased the number of air quality employees from 7 to 9. Their budget for travel by these air quality specialist grew from $4000 to $9000 for this year. I guess they plan more travel to visit EPA and DOT as the plot thickens. Your tax dollars at work....
Boodrow
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March 10, 2010
If fuel oil prices were $1.00 per gallon and nobody burned wood the EPA and the borough would be trying to measure and control our oil fired smoke. This is not about pollution. This is about keeping EPA and their counterparts at the borough employed. I can think of some budgets that need to be cut and these guys are on the top of my list.
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